Vegan Vegetarian Discussion

Genderless Camellia wrote: i am mostly vegetarian. the thing is, if you eat more and more of vegetables the moral arguement is that you are hurting the vegetable, we all have to eat to survive.
a lot of people argue "but animals have feelings" and things like this...but i think plants have feelings too :s i one time tested this, and grew 2 plants, always praising one and insulting the other, and this one began to wither :[

so i respect your feelings, but also consider the plants?? i dont know.

See for me, I could give a damn about the plant or the animal. It's merely for my health that I'm doing it.

I am, however, against animal furs.

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Genderless Camellia wrote: i am mostly vegetarian. the thing is, if you eat more and more of vegetables the moral arguement is that you are hurting the vegetable, we all have to eat to survive.
a lot of people argue "but animals have feelings" and things like this...but i think plants have feelings too :s i one time tested this, and grew 2 plants, always praising one and insulting the other, and this one began to wither :[

so i respect your feelings, but also consider the plants?? i dont know.

I'd love to see the sources. They don't have ears or hearing devices to hear these, so it makes one wonder how this is at all possible.
Unless it's a bullcrap wives' tale.

Ningage wrote:

Genderless Camellia wrote: i am mostly vegetarian. the thing is, if you eat more and more of vegetables the moral arguement is that you are hurting the vegetable, we all have to eat to survive.
a lot of people argue "but animals have feelings" and things like this...but i think plants have feelings too :s i one time tested this, and grew 2 plants, always praising one and insulting the other, and this one began to wither :[

so i respect your feelings, but also consider the plants?? i dont know.

I'd love to see the sources. They don't have ears or hearing devices to hear these, so it makes one wonder how this is at all possible.
Unless it's a bullcrap wives' tale.

how the fuck am i supposed to give you sources?? i just said that it was myself who did this, for a school project. i dont care if they dont have ears. it is possible to feel emotions without having ears, we send out electro levels and hormones, so they will still feel this and react.

i dont care if you dont think it is possible. it is. so please realise that plants deserve respect also.

Genderless Camellia wrote:

Ningage wrote:

Genderless Camellia wrote: i am mostly vegetarian. the thing is, if you eat more and more of vegetables the moral arguement is that you are hurting the vegetable, we all have to eat to survive.
a lot of people argue "but animals have feelings" and things like this...but i think plants have feelings too :s i one time tested this, and grew 2 plants, always praising one and insulting the other, and this one began to wither :[

so i respect your feelings, but also consider the plants?? i dont know.

I'd love to see the sources. They don't have ears or hearing devices to hear these, so it makes one wonder how this is at all possible.
Unless it's a bullcrap wives' tale.

how the fuck am i supposed to give you sources?? i just said that it was myself who did this, for a school project. i dont care if they dont have ears. it is possible to feel emotions without having ears, we send out electro levels and hormones, so they will still feel this and react.

i dont care if you dont think it is possible. it is. so please realise that plants deserve respect also.

Again.
I would like to see your resource.

And the plants don't have nerves, so they can't feel torture, and when cut, they regrow, you can't regrow being dead.
If you don't care what people think about your post, then you shouldn't have posted.
Oh wait, you do care.

Blythe wrote: I am, however, against animal furs.

so the skins of animals that are eaten should be wasted?

im against the killing of animals just for their skins, but if they are eaten as well, ive got no problem

Ningage wrote:

Genderless Camellia wrote:

Ningage wrote:

Genderless Camellia wrote: i am mostly vegetarian. the thing is, if you eat more and more of vegetables the moral arguement is that you are hurting the vegetable, we all have to eat to survive.
a lot of people argue "but animals have feelings" and things like this...but i think plants have feelings too :s i one time tested this, and grew 2 plants, always praising one and insulting the other, and this one began to wither :[

so i respect your feelings, but also consider the plants?? i dont know.

I'd love to see the sources. They don't have ears or hearing devices to hear these, so it makes one wonder how this is at all possible.
Unless it's a bullcrap wives' tale.

how the fuck am i supposed to give you sources?? i just said that it was myself who did this, for a school project. i dont care if they dont have ears. it is possible to feel emotions without having ears, we send out electro levels and hormones, so they will still feel this and react.

i dont care if you dont think it is possible. it is. so please realise that plants deserve respect also.

Again.
I would like to see your resource.

And the plants don't have nerves, so they can't feel torture, and when cut, they regrow, you can't regrow being dead.
If you don't care what people think about your post, then you shouldn't have posted.
Oh wait, you do care.

how am i supposed to give you a source if it was myself who did this?? you can ask all you want i wont be able to give you one.

?? i dont mind that they dont have nerves, they do have feelings, and it is only YOUR belief that plants are not sentient being. if you are allowed to post your thoughts, why am i not allowed to post mine

i actually DONT care what people think of it. i care how people react towards it. the reason why i post is not to gain favour of people halfway across the world who i dont really give a shit about, it is to say things that hopefully help. and i care about plants so i am posting my care about them. please do not assume because you are self-conscious and need internet approval that i do.

KittensKill wrote:

Blythe wrote: I am, however, against animal furs.

so the skins of animals that are eaten should be wasted?

im against the killing of animals just for their skins, but if they are eaten as well, ive got no problem

agreed. like, i dont like a pointless skin trade, but what aboriginals do is fine..the entire animal should be used.

It's Science.
How am I supposed to know you're not making this up otherwise? I can say that I've proven people can pull wombats spontaneously out of their ass, but that doesn't make it true.

Nooo, it hasn't been proven by science.
What you're doing is making an unproven statement, an uneducated guess.

If you're going to keep going with this thought, tell me what function they use to feel emotion? With their nonexistent brain?
Does their cells' nucleus feel it for them?

Ningage wrote: It's Science.
How am I supposed to know you're not making this up otherwise? I can say that I've proven people can pull wombats spontaneously out of their ass, but that doesn't make it true.

Nooo, it hasn't been proven by science.
What you're doing is making an unproven statement, an uneducated guess.

If you're going to keep going with this thought, tell me what function they use to feel emotion? With their nonexistent brain?
Does their cells' nucleus feel it for them?

im not, but you can think that if you want to. it just seems like a stupidshit thing to make up, but whatever.

uneducated guess..?? ah i see, you are a person obsessed with science. if it cannot be one hundred percent in stone you question, and you do no like to believe others. you're right, maybe this is a bit more "magical"?? in a sense than you would approve of.

if humans can exist without brains and still have thoughts, emotins, act like real people, why cant plants?? and that i CAN source.
http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/health-fitness/2330-humans-can-live-normal-lives-without-brain.html
and we were talking about this in my psychology class, as well, whihc is where i found out about it.

Has a brain.
Just not too much of it.

You only use a small percentage of the brain, anway.
Plus, if you actually looked at your source, you would see the results were greatly overexaggerated.

i dont give a shit that is was overexaggerated, i did actually read it. but humans can exist and have emotions with no brain, or barely any. bacteria and plants exist with no brain like an animals, who is to say they do not have emotions? i believe they do, i have killed a plant just from cruel words and emotions.

btw, stop trying to bring everyone into the dark "pessimism" and realistic science** that you hold so high. i did not post with the intention of bullying or making you believe me, its fine if you dont

and i am no longer responding to this, it is very off-topic.

the fact that plants have reactions to changes in environment does not prove that they feel pain the way animals do.
and for the sake of argument, let's just pretend that plants do in fact feel pain and suffering like we do.
that would only support the argument for vegetarianism. it takes something like 15 pounds of plant material to produce one pound of edible meat. therefor by eating a vegetarian diet, you're saving fifteen times as many life forms from pain and suffering then you would by eating the same amount in meat

Genderless Camellia wrote: i dont give a shit that is was overexaggerated, i did actually read it. but humans can exist and have emotions with no brain, or barely any. bacteria and plants exist with no brain like an animals, who is to say they do not have emotions? i believe they do, i have killed a plant just from cruel words and emotions.

btw, stop trying to bring everyone into the dark "pessimism" and realistic science** that you hold so high. i did not post with the intention of bullying or making you believe me, its fine if you dont

and i am no longer responding to this, it is very off-topic.

"I DON'T CARE THAT IT HAS BEEN PROVEN LARGELY UNTRUE!
I'MMA GO WITH THE ARGUMENT ANYWAY!

How does it feel to be stupid?

KittensKill wrote:

Blythe wrote: I am, however, against animal furs.

so the skins of animals that are eaten should be wasted?

im against the killing of animals just for their skins, but if they are eaten as well, ive got no problem

See, this is where so many different factors come into play with everything.
I've seen an animal be skinned alive. It seriously sickened me.
If they're going to use leather though or something, AFTER the animal is already dead, and can't feel it, and yes if they plan on using the meat of it for something. That I'm okay with. But killing seals, and foxes, and bunnys.

It's just unnecessary.
But I do agree with you on that point.

And to Ningage.
We did the same experiment at my school and had the same results.
But, I've always thought that after school hours the teacher was poising our plants. >.>
XD

people dont generally eat minks or foxes, and that's where fur comes from.

i think if you're going to eat cow anyways, you might as well wear leather.