Atheists of the forums

stupidemo wrote:

serious???
and here i was thinking that science was the study of the world, and that religion was the belief in different theologies that were (in most likelihood) thought up to control the masses.

they are different, just face it.
science is about searching for the answers to the universe, and to forward mankind, while religion is about trying to keep wide masses of people in control, trying to keep people moral and also making death seem less scary.
although over the last few thousand years religion has had alot of negative impact on the world, i still think that only because of the idiotic, insane people in charge.

In christianity, we were put on the earth to do God's bidding, and the reward is eternal life in heaven.
So you keep his code, and do his deeds, and you get to be with him in heaven when you die.
So, in regards to Christianity, their religion is about serving God, being kind, and having death be peaceful.

Science is about finding answers to chemical questions.

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rockitemokid wrote:
Science is about finding answers to chemical questions.

Incorrect. Science is a response to the question "Why?"

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stupidemo wrote: serious???
and here i was thinking that science was the study of the world, and that religion was the belief in different theologies that were (in most likelihood) thought up to control the masses.

they are different, just face it.
science is about searching for the answers to the universe, and to forward mankind, while religion is about trying to keep wide masses of people in control, trying to keep people moral and also making death seem less scary.
although over the last few thousand years religion has had alot of negative impact on the world, i still think that only because of the idiotic, insane people in charge.

Wrongity wrong wrong.

Religion is for finding answers.
As is Science.
Science just has proof.

In christianity, we were put on the earth to do God's bidding, and the reward is eternal life in heaven.
So you keep his code, and do his deeds, and you get to be with him in heaven when you die.
So, in regards to Christianity, their religion is about serving God, being kind, and having death be peaceful.

Science is about finding answers to chemical questions.

Again, look above.

So you're saying that God is basically doing a hazing process to the people. "Hey kids, do what I want, and you can get in my club."

Nin, Relgion isn't about finding answers, it's about having FAITH the answers you are given are true.
I'm not sure where, but somewhere in the bible it talks about how we were put here to be servants of God, and if we keep the commands, we will be rewarded in heaven.

(Please note, I'm not actually christian, I'm relaying what I can remember for the debate.)

SS, I decided to look up the actual literal definition of science, it was intensely interesting:
Science:
the state of knowing : knowledge as distinguished from ignorance or misunderstanding
2 a : a department of systematized knowledge as an object of study <the> b : something (as a sport or technique) that may be studied or learned like systematized knowledge <have>
3 a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method b : such knowledge or such a system of knowledge concerned with the physical world and its phenomena

Effy wrote: You claim it's stupid to compare them, it's really not. They are obviously very different, but that doesn't mean they don't have similarities, i.e. both of them try to explain the origin of the world, how life came about, why humans became so powerful in comparison to other animals etc.

they're also two different ways of solving problems.
eg: your child is sick, you could take the religious option and pray for them, if god wants them to live/get better they will.
or
you could take the scientific approach and take the child to a doctor and get medical help.

some families go for option one
most will go for option two.
why?

each has its flaws though.

yes, science is better at curing diseases, and breaking down the laws of the physical world.

religion is better at dealing with morals and ethics.

though religion has created all kinds of genocide, and science has created heroin, the atom bomb and several biological weapons, they both have redeaming qualities.

stupidemo wrote: religion is better at dealing with morals and ethics.

is it?

stupidemo wrote: though religion has created all kinds of genocide, and science has created heroin, the atom bomb and several biological weapons, they both have redeaming qualities.

heroin?

Under the name diamorphine, it is a legally prescribed controlled drug in the United Kingdom. It is available for prescription to long-term addicts in the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Germany and Denmark

atom bomb?

Apart from their use as weapons, nuclear explosives have been tested and used for various non-military uses, and proposed, but not used for large scale earth moving.

and religion hasnt used biological warfare? what about smallpox spread by christian "missionaries"

People can believe whatever they want to believe in.

There's no need to attack them.

Nin, Relgion isn't about finding answers, it's about having FAITH the answers you are given are true.
I'm not sure where, but somewhere in the bible it talks about how we were put here to be servants of God, and if we keep the commands, we will be rewarded in heaven.

That's why so many people of the same religion always argue about the answers given?
Because they already have them?

Ningage wrote:

Nin, Relgion isn't about finding answers, it's about having FAITH the answers you are given are true.
I'm not sure where, but somewhere in the bible it talks about how we were put here to be servants of God, and if we keep the commands, we will be rewarded in heaven.

That's why so many people of the same religion always argue about the answers given?
Because they already have them?

Yes.

Also, I was in church today, and they were reading the gospel passage about The guys who went to talk to Jesus and they were like "We want to be seated to your right, and to your left in your kingdom" And Jesus looked at them and was like "That isn't my job to pick that (it isn't, it's God's), You who seek admiration, will find it in servitude. The greatest among you is the servant." And then how the blind guy went up to Jesus later that day and was like "I want to see" and Jesus was like "Your faith has saved you"
and then the blind guy could see and he followed Jesus as a servant.

MORAL OF THE STORY:
The ideal christian is a servant.
Basically, in Christian peoples minds, we were put here to do god's bidding, i.e. Servitude.
Thought I'd throw that in there.

Religion doesn't mean Christianity. There ar eothers.
Just a reminder.


Are we still on topic? Can we get to how atheists treat followers of a religion on here?

L wrote: Religion doesn't mean Christianity. There ar eothers.
Just a reminder.


Are we still on topic? Can we get to how atheists treat followers of a religion on here?

Well then, I rarely, actually I don't think I've ever seen an atheist bash a muslim, jewish, etc. follower on here.

MelodyOfMalice wrote: Well then, I rarely, actually I don't think I've ever seen an atheist bash a muslim, jewish, etc. follower on here.

Are there any? Or do they just keep quiet?

L wrote:

MelodyOfMalice wrote: Well then, I rarely, actually I don't think I've ever seen an atheist bash a muslim, jewish, etc. follower on here.

Are there any? Or do they just keep quiet?

They're must be... I thought that there were some Jewish people on here...