A Basic Guide to Emotional Hardcore

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Ziro Valentine wrote: So by OP's definition NOFX are an emo band for being DIY punk? I think not.

Yeah, going on a tour sponsored by Vans for a decade is totally DIY.

maybe, but there Def not headlining, nor making any sort of Bank.

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What does it matter if they're headlining or not? DIY means do it yourself.

its good to hear a lot of kids are getting knowledgable these days.

The only thing im going to say is incorrect
"However, people need to understand that Emo is essentially DIY punk.* It cannot be mainstream.* "

Music can be mainstream and still be the same genre, say out of nowhere City of Catapillars gets famous, they would still be emo. A genre is a sound not a popularity contest.
Unless I interpreted that incorrectly, and is this a modern emo band?


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P.S: Out of those bands on the list on the first post: What bands and songs from them would you recommend?

No, Vanna is DEFINITELY not emo...

They're Metalcore/Post-Hardcore...

My favorite Emo/Screamo bands today are:
An Embrace of Angels
I Would Set Myself on Fire For You
Love Like...Electrocution
Dominic
Gay for Johnny Depp
Hugs
Circle Takes the Square

Ningage wrote: No, Vanna is DEFINITELY not emo...

They're Metalcore/Post-Hardcore...

My favorite Emo/Screamo bands today are:
An Embrace of Angels
I Would Set Myself on Fire For You
Love Like...Electrocution
Dominic
Gay for Johnny Depp
Hugs
Circle Takes the Square

Gay for johnney depp is Queercore o_O
And Vanna dont play metalcore Dx or post hardcore
Post Hardcore is more pop oriented like Escape the Fate
Metalcore is more heavy riffs with distortion and breakdowns such as old a7x and bfmv

I would say they are a mix between indie emo and hardcore emo(or screamo)
Also ill check out thos ebands dude they sound promising thanks

Edit: I tried to find I Would Set Myself on Fire For You on youtube and couldent find it :[

xXxChriscorexXx wrote:

Ningage wrote: No, Vanna is DEFINITELY not emo...

They're Metalcore/Post-Hardcore...

My favorite Emo/Screamo bands today are:
An Embrace of Angels
I Would Set Myself on Fire For You
Love Like...Electrocution
Dominic
Gay for Johnny Depp
Hugs
Circle Takes the Square

Gay for johnney depp is Queercore o_O
And Vanna dont play metalcore Dx or post hardcore
Post Hardcore is more pop oriented like Escape the Fate
Metalcore is more heavy riffs with distortion and breakdowns such as old a7x and bfmv

I would say they are a mix between indie emo and hardcore emo(or screamo)
Also ill check out thos ebands dude they sound promising thanks

Edit: I tried to find I Would Set Myself on Fire For You on youtube and couldent find it :[

Erm...no...

First of all, Gay for Johnny Depp IS Screamo, but they were given the subgenre 'Queercore', and also, Post-Hardcore doesn't automatically mean 'poppy'. It's simply an evolved form of Hardcore-Punk, and simply becasue it doesn't have more high voices and melodic singing, doesn't make it Post-Hardcore Vanna is definitely post-hardcore, whether or not it has Metalcore traces is arguable, though.

You can find all of these bands on Myspace, except for Hugs, I don't know where you can listen to them.

^^Whatever you say all in all music is opinionative if there is no proof,
And ill check them out thanks for the recommendations btw

A board favourite is Kill the Switch by Circle Takes the Square.
Also, what is indie emo? Because of the DIY element wouldn't it mean all emo would be on an independant label?

Unless you're talking about indie being a genre. In which case I point you to this.

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Indie rock may stand for Independant rock, but you have to remember Alternative means away from the mainstream, but then you have alt artist in the mainstream. Its just a title I could call something bloodbath metal and it could just be softcore metal, but its just a title.

Indie Emo Bands: Fugazi(?), Jimmy Eat World(Debatable), and Braid

Alt/Indie= Just a title, it does not have to be alternative or independant at all. Its a misconception much like people saying emo is emotional(not comparing just saying its all a misconception)

Edit: And if you didnt quite understand, is all Death Metal about death? No, a majority of cource, but not all.

Alternative doesn't mean away from the mainstream/popular circles. And if you believed that wholeheartedly you'd be a hypocrite because in an earlier post you said.

The only thing im going to say is incorrect
"However, people need to understand that Emo is essentially DIY punk.* It cannot be mainstream.* "

Music can be mainstream and still be the same genre, say out of nowhere City of Catapillars gets famous, they would still be emo. A genre is a sound not a popularity contest.

Which states that genre has nothing to do with popularity. Yet you say those bands who are popular and fall under the genre of alternative rock can't be.

Also, if alternative really means "away from the mainstream" I could pick up my guitar and play Summer Love once more and call it alternative rock. If no one has heard me play it, how can it be popular?

The English language is fucked enough as is. Stop resorting to using words that don't even remotely act as a just synonym because you think it sounds cool.

Just to clarify, this isn't a personal attack on you, xXxChriscorexXx, rather my hate for society and its stupidity.

Jamekae wrote: Alternative doesn't mean away from the mainstream/popular circles. And if you believed that wholeheartedly you'd be a hypocrite because in an earlier post you said.

The only thing im going to say is incorrect
"However, people need to understand that Emo is essentially DIY punk.* It cannot be mainstream.* "

Music can be mainstream and still be the same genre, say out of nowhere City of Catapillars gets famous, they would still be emo. A genre is a sound not a popularity contest.

Which states that genre has nothing to do with popularity. Yet you say those bands who are popular and fall under the genre of alternative rock can't be.

Also, if alternative really means "away from the mainstream" I could pick up my guitar and play Summer Love once more and call it alternative rock. If no one has heard me play it, how can it be popular?

The English language is fucked enough as is. Stop resorting to using words that don't even remotely act as a just synonym because you think it sounds cool.

Just to clarify, this isn't a personal attack on you, xXxChriscorexXx, rather my hate for society and its stupidity.

Yeah I know ^-^
I dont take stuff like this seriously on the aspect to where I would personally hate the person

And sorry I got my words mixed up, I was thinking of indie and alt
Indie means to the public away from mainstream
Alt means post modern or something like that

Which is why im trying to say there just titles, they do not have to mean away from the mainsteam, or be close to underground.

Indie rock does exist, but it does not mean underground. Its just a certain sound for a certain genre. If that makes any sence..

The sound certainly exists. If you've heard it, it must belong to a genre. But the genre of indie rock doesn't exist. Sure, you may think of a certain sound and make the association that it's indie rock (the genre), when in reality, it's not.

It's one of those terms you throw when you can't hear a defining sound to delegate a suitable genre for a piece of music but you don't want to look like a douche so you have to throw in some sort of term.
"Ahh yes, this beat is top notch, really the epitome of the indie rock genre, old chap."

Stereotype of posh British man used because most of the misconceptions over what indie is largely stems from England.

I know it's hard to accept, because you've most likely heard/used the term for most of your life. Change is hard to deal with. But you need to face it that it isn't a genre, nor a sound.

This is emo with indie influence,


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" Drawing inspiration from bands like Jawbreaker, Drive Like Jehu, and Fugazi, the new sound of emo was a mixture of hardcore's passion and indie rock's intelligence, bearing the anthemic power of punk rock and its do-it-yourself work ethic but with smoother songs, sloppier melodies, and yearning vocals." (Source: Greenwald, pp. 34-35.)

The sounds are similar, and branch of what you denie exist. Indie is not and never will mean underground, under the mainstream, etc when it comes to a genre. A genre itself cannot be defined as underground, much like electro punk, MSI is mainstream but the genre of Electro Punk is considered underground, but how is that possible if one band is mainstream? A genre is nothing more then a title, and ALL genres need classification, and that is why it was bestowed Indie, it could be called Generic-rock. But would that mean all generic rock would be generic?

Indie rock does exist, and if you know your music theory the riffs, time signatures, song structures, etc contribute to why it is a genre.

And that is the one thing you cant denie is when music theory is used in an argument, and I happen to know quite alot about it

(Sorry I hope I dont come off as stuck up, or such to you thats not my intention.)

Neither of those are emo though...and "Indie" isn't a genre, it's a type of record label. Most "Indie" rock are really "Progressive" or "Experimental" rock.

Okay, to find if something is emo or screamo, you can just check any of the list of bands at the beginning of this thread, and if your music is similar to that, it has a chance of being in the emo or screamo genre. (Or it's just punk or hardcore-punk)