DeathFromAbove wrote: hmm i think everybody has right to have his/here own iterprations of emo, and i dont think people will say now: 'oh god im a poser' because you made this topic.. it sounds quit useless to me

FortuneSpasm wrote:

DeathFromAbove wrote: hmm i think everybody has right to have his/here own iterprations of emo, and i dont think people will say now: 'oh god im a poser' because you made this topic.. it sounds quit useless to me

Sure they have, but then they don't know anything about it. I mean, wannabes can live in any lie they'd like, but this thread is about the CORRECT DEFINITON. Just check the wikipedia article if you're unsure.

I don't care if people will see themselves as posers or not after reading this. I just think people should know what emo is and what it isn't. Yep, maybe it's useless to you. You're 14 years old and need to learn how to spell.

DeathFromAbove wrote:

FortuneSpasm wrote:

DeathFromAbove wrote: hmm i think everybody has right to have his/here own iterprations of emo, and i dont think people will say now: 'oh god im a poser' because you made this topic.. it sounds quit useless to me

Sure they have, but then they don't know anything about it. I mean, wannabes can live in any lie they'd like, but this thread is about the CORRECT DEFINITON. Just check the wikipedia article if you're unsure.

I don't care if people will see themselves as posers or not after reading this. I just think people should know what emo is and what it isn't. Yep, maybe it's useless to you. You're 14 years old and need to learn how to spell.

Jeah, my grammar and spelling suck sorry for that. (though it wasn't nice to say =.=)

but it's okay, there are a lot of people on here who spray around topics like: I LIEKZ CUTTING and so on. My point was just that your topic won't change a thing

FortuneSpasm wrote: Just gonna make this clear once and for all, since it seems many poeple here don't know this. I'm so sick of all newbs and posers.

Emo is the music, scene is the fashion/look. It seems some people think scene is almost the same as emo but without the "mentality". No, there's no such thing as an "emo mentality". Being emo (more correctly: scenester) is not about being depressed, whining, cutting or anything like that. It's all about the look (and no, being a scenester doesn't have to be associated with listening to emo music, but it most often does).

Sooo.. altogeter: You ARE scene, and you LISTEN to emo(tional hardcore).
However, the term emo is occasionally used to define a scenester (though not the other way around). But scene/scenester is the correct term.

What's emo music then? It's NOT My Chemical Romance (I really think people should get this now, as Gerard Way once stated he thought emo was 'fucking garbage'), not Fall Out Boy, Green Day or Boys Like Girls or any of those pop punk and alternative rock bands.
Emotional hardcore music is a subgenre of hardcore punk evolved from the hardcore and screamo music in the 80s. Some of the first bands of this genre were Rites of Spring, Embrace and Moss Icon. Examples of more recent emo bands are Hawthorne Heights, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Silverstein, Dashboard Confessional, Senses Fail, Orchid and Thursday.

So, what separates posers from real scenesters then?
Here you go - poser checklist (just a simple list of qualifiers, meaning that if you've done X, chances are that you're a poser):

x You actually think you are emo.
x You don't know what scene is.
x You worry about how "emo" you look.
x You think MCR and Fall Out Boy are emo bands.
x You won't shut up about how "emo" you are.
x You think crying, being depressed and cutting has something to do with the style.
x You whine or brag about self-harming.
x You try very hard to pull off the look.
x You seriously consider changing the way you dress in order to change how other people will look at you.
x You make prodigious use of x's whenever you write, without even knowing how this came about in the first place.
x You become vegetarian/vegan only to lose weight for that scenester look (not because you care about animals).

That's it. I just felt I had to do this.

xseaniscoolnessx wrote:
haha thank you! there was the one topic somewhere were nbc or someting hd that one video on the news where theyw ere telign parents emo was kids hurting themselves and going for a depressed look and all this shit. it pissed me off. & i agree with everytign u said.

FortuneSpasm wrote:

DeathFromAbove wrote: hmm i think everybody has right to have his/here own iterprations of emo, and i dont think people will say now: 'oh god im a poser' because you made this topic.. it sounds quit useless to me

Sure they have, but then they don't know anything about it. I mean, wannabes can live in any lie they'd like, but this thread is about the CORRECT DEFINITON. Just check the wikipedia article if you're unsure.

I don't care if people will see themselves as posers or not after reading this. I just think people should know what emo is and what it isn't. Yep, maybe it's useless to you. You're 14 years old and need to learn how to spell.

freshprince wrote: very true...
but emo has evolved... 'cuz everything you said is what emo started as... but now, emo is more then just that... it's kinda a group of ppl... kinda like preps, and chavs, and goths, but we're just... emos...

DeathFromAbove wrote:

freshprince wrote: very true...
but emo has evolved... 'cuz everything you said is what emo started as... but now, emo is more then just that... it's kinda a group of ppl... kinda like preps, and chavs, and goths, but we're just... emos...

hmm i can't agree with you, emo is a hype it will last on for a while but after that it will be like back in the beginning..

FortuneSpasm wrote: Just gonna make this clear once and for all, since it seems many poeple here don't know this. I'm so sick of all newbs and posers.

Emo is the music, scene is the fashion/look. It seems some people think scene is almost the same as emo but without the "mentality". No, there's no such thing as an "emo mentality". Being emo (more correctly: scenester) is not about being depressed, whining, cutting or anything like that. It's all about the look (and no, being a scenester doesn't have to be associated with listening to emo music, but it most often does).

Sooo.. altogeter: You ARE scene, and you LISTEN to emo(tional hardcore).
However, the term emo is occasionally used to define a scenester (though not the other way around). But scene/scenester is the correct term.

What's emo music then? It's NOT My Chemical Romance (I really think people should get this now, as Gerard Way once stated he thought emo was 'fucking garbage'), not Fall Out Boy, Green Day or Boys Like Girls or any of those pop punk and alternative rock bands.
Emotional hardcore music is a subgenre of hardcore punk evolved from the hardcore and screamo music in the 80s. Some of the first bands of this genre were Rites of Spring, Embrace and Moss Icon. Examples of more recent emo bands are Hawthorne Heights, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Silverstein, Dashboard Confessional, Senses Fail, Orchid and Thursday.

So, what separates posers from real scenesters then?
Here you go - poser checklist (just a simple list of qualifiers, meaning that if you've done X, chances are that you're a poser):

x You actually think you are emo.
x You don't know what scene is.
x You worry about how "emo" you look.
x You think MCR and Fall Out Boy are emo bands.
x You won't shut up about how "emo" you are.
x You think crying, being depressed and cutting has something to do with the style.
x You whine or brag about self-harming.
x You try very hard to pull off the look.
x You seriously consider changing the way you dress in order to change how other people will look at you.
x You make prodigious use of x's whenever you write, without even knowing how this came about in the first place.
x You become vegetarian/vegan only to lose weight for that scenester look (not because you care about animals).

That's it. I just felt I had to do this.

FortuneSpasm wrote: Uhm... I'm just sitting here toasting my own brain.
I wonder.. Despite emo being the music and scene being the fashion, one can still argue that there is some sort of.. 'mentality' that comes with the style. I'd like to think so >sometimes<; that there is something more to scene/'emo' than just the fashion and the music (otherwise it would be a rather shallow subculture, right?). However, if there truly is such a "mentality", it should NOT be associated with depression, self-pity and regret, which many thinks of when they hear the word emo. That's just shit. I guess you could say it should focus on expressing ones emotions (naturally and socially) and... philosophizing? Yep, maybe.
It should contrast to the otherwise harsh and somewhat 'raw' hardcore punk subculture (don't forget that emos/scenesters are actually punks).