hope i dont get in trouble for posting this[or at least hope nobody posted something similar].;p
But is marijuana really all that bad?My friend[and her friends] smoke it and then I know a bunch of kids who do it as well and she's told me:"You know,weed's not really bad for you.Of course it makes you high,but only for a few hours.Alcohol and cigarettes are worse." And I have to admit i kind of agree.Alcohol gets you into car crashes and stuff along with giving you kidney disease if you abuse but what does weed do?It shouldnt effectyour driving much because I've seen a guy smoking it and driving,and he drove just fine!I looked up information on the drug and found that theres no evidence of marijuana causing cancer.The smoke may cause conditions for lung cancer,but its not as bad as ciggies.Cigarettes:Killed LOADS of people because of all the crap in it such as tar,paint,some chemical thats in rat poison,and a bunch of other shit.And not like i really care much,but doesnt weed make or keep you skinny?All the kids who i know that smoke it are twigs.I mean i know it gives you the munchies and makes you want to eat more but then i hear some other shit about it doing something to your fat cells that makes them smaller.Lots of people who say theyve done it have even said:"BEfore when i did it i was kinda overweight[or average] and then i got skinnier.So i stopped and gained weight again." Plus it relieves stress aye?Idk i dont really see much of a downside to it besides it being illegal(which i dont think it should be).I'm not gonna do it dont worry,but anyways,anyone agree?Comments?I'm just kinda curious on this cuz of why everybody thinks its sooooo bad.

I smoke weed on occasion, but I dont like it all that much, cos it makes me slow, it makes me sleepy too easily.

Actually any form of DUI is just as capable of getting you into a car wreck as the other.

This thread has actually been done, but we can discuss it again.
I'll ask Ashr to post all the links basically saying there's a lot of harm caused by weed. Saying there is no harm is generally an excuse;
*To legalize it
*To get others to try it
*To get others to believe that it isn't harmful so they are more sympathetic to the cause of legalizing weed
*To justify an addiction


http://forum.emobucket.com/marijuana-legalization-w-sources-t18215.html?highlight=links

Ashr wrote: I guess this is the part when I nod and say "Yes Mr. Flowmo" but before I do I'll just post a few links:

Study Shows Toxins in Marijuana Smoke:
"Levels of Some Toxins Higher in Pot Cigarettes Than in Tobacco Cigarettes"
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20071214/study-shows-toxins-in-marijuana-smoke

Marijuana Linked to Early Gum Disease:
"Study Shows Heavy Pot Smokers Had the Most Gum Damage"
http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20080205/marijuana-linked-to-early-gum-disease

Are Smoking Pot and Psychosis Linked?
"Marijuana Boosts Later Psychotic Illness Risk by 40%, Study Shows"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20070726/pot-now-psychotic-later

Marijuana Use May Thwart Pregnancy
"Marijuana Chemical May Hamper Fertilized Egg From Implanting in Womb"
http://www.webmd.com/news/20060801/marijuana-use-may-thwart-pregnancy

Pot Impacts Heart, Study Shows
"Marijuana smokers increase their risk of having a heart attack almost five times within one hour of lighting up"
http://www.webmd.com/news/20000302/pot-impacts-heart

Why Marijuana May Affect Memory
"Study in Rats Shows Pot-Like Substance Disrupts Brain Cell Coordination"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20061120/marijuana-may-affect-memory

Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash
"French Study Shows Pot Smokers More Likely to Be Responsible for Deadly Accident"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

Marijuana Causes Mental Illness
"Children who use marijuana before age 12 are twice as likely to later develop serious mental illness as those who don't try the drug until they're 18"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20050503/federal-report-marijuana-causes-mental-illness

Heavy Pot Use Lowers IQ
"users who currently smoked more than five joints a week, IQ scores dropped by an average of 4.1 points."
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/18/1685_53047.htm?lastselectedguid=%7B5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348%7D

Withdrawal Symptoms From Smoking Pot?
"A total of 42.4% experienced at least one withdrawal symptom -- most commonly, cravings, irritability, boredom, anxiety, and sleep disturbances -- when they tried to quit."
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20080507/withdrawal-symptoms-from-smoking-pot

Marijuana May Harm Fetus
"Smoking Marijuana While Pregnant May Harm Baby's Brain"
http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030325/marijuana-may-harm-fetus

Pot May Cause Depression, Schizophrenia
"Strongest Evidence Yet that Marijuana May Lead to Mental Illness"
http://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20021121/pot-may-cause-depression-schizophrenia

Ok then now that that's over...

*nods* Yes Mr. Flowmo

Right I'll just log out and expect my mod privileges to be gone tomorrow then. ^-^

Nexus wrote: Actually any form of DUI is just as capable of getting you into a car wreck as the other.

This thread has actually been done, but we can discuss it again.
I'll ask Ashr to post all the links basically saying there's a lot of harm caused by weed. Saying there is no harm is generally an excuse;
*To legalize it
*To get others to try it
*To get others to believe that it isn't harmful so they are more sympathetic to the cause of legalizing weed
*To justify an addiction


http://forum.emobucket.com/marijuana-legalization-w-sources-t18215.html?highlight=links

Ashr wrote: I guess this is the part when I nod and say "Yes Mr. Flowmo" but before I do I'll just post a few links: oh,thanks.

Study Shows Toxins in Marijuana Smoke:
"Levels of Some Toxins Higher in Pot Cigarettes Than in Tobacco Cigarettes"
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20071214/study-shows-toxins-in-marijuana-smoke

Marijuana Linked to Early Gum Disease:
"Study Shows Heavy Pot Smokers Had the Most Gum Damage"
http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/news/20080205/marijuana-linked-to-early-gum-disease

Are Smoking Pot and Psychosis Linked?
"Marijuana Boosts Later Psychotic Illness Risk by 40%, Study Shows"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20070726/pot-now-psychotic-later

Marijuana Use May Thwart Pregnancy
"Marijuana Chemical May Hamper Fertilized Egg From Implanting in Womb"
http://www.webmd.com/news/20060801/marijuana-use-may-thwart-pregnancy

Pot Impacts Heart, Study Shows
"Marijuana smokers increase their risk of having a heart attack almost five times within one hour of lighting up"
http://www.webmd.com/news/20000302/pot-impacts-heart

Why Marijuana May Affect Memory
"Study in Rats Shows Pot-Like Substance Disrupts Brain Cell Coordination"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20061120/marijuana-may-affect-memory

Marijuana Raises Risk of Fatal Car Crash
"French Study Shows Pot Smokers More Likely to Be Responsible for Deadly Accident"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

Marijuana Causes Mental Illness
"Children who use marijuana before age 12 are twice as likely to later develop serious mental illness as those who don't try the drug until they're 18"
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20050503/federal-report-marijuana-causes-mental-illness

Heavy Pot Use Lowers IQ
"users who currently smoked more than five joints a week, IQ scores dropped by an average of 4.1 points."
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/18/1685_53047.htm?lastselectedguid=%7B5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348%7D

Withdrawal Symptoms From Smoking Pot?
"A total of 42.4% experienced at least one withdrawal symptom -- most commonly, cravings, irritability, boredom, anxiety, and sleep disturbances -- when they tried to quit."
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20080507/withdrawal-symptoms-from-smoking-pot

Marijuana May Harm Fetus
"Smoking Marijuana While Pregnant May Harm Baby's Brain"
http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030325/marijuana-may-harm-fetus

Pot May Cause Depression, Schizophrenia
"Strongest Evidence Yet that Marijuana May Lead to Mental Illness"
http://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20021121/pot-may-cause-depression-schizophrenia

Ok then now that that's over...

*nods* Yes Mr. Flowmo

Right I'll just log out and expect my mod privileges to be gone tomorrow then. ^-^

kidney disease.

-_-

Sometimes I want to strangle stupid people.

It's liver disease.

From the medical studies I've looked at ( i smoke weed rarely but i like to know what I'm putting in my body) it seems that when people say smoking pot is bad for you it is based on comparisons made against joints with pot and tobacco in, the pot makes the tobacco even worse for you but by itself weed inst particularly harmful. In regards to the mental illness association, pot does not cause mental illness but is more likely to make symptoms show in those with underlying conditions so if your family have a tendency towards barking at the moon and eating furniture then maybe stay away from it but otherwise it's not likely to make you go crazy.
in excessive amounts anything is bad for you but in moderation it's OK.

I wouldn't encourage anyone to smoke pot but i enjoy it after a party to chill out (or post coitus )

Most people here have lookedatthe side of pot thats bad for the user
Yea, It has bad sides
But pot can fuck up so much
Until you've had your family ruined through it you don;t know how bad it can be
Stop comparing it to other things to amke it seem better too
'Its not as bad as smokes so its ok'
Fuck no

Pot can fuck up so many peoples live just so you can get 'high'
And it does mess with you
talk to someone whos smoked for years and years
I have
Someone close to me
Its fucking torture
All you here is mumbling and 'uhms'
Pot = Not ok to me

Oh and by the way
Not long ago a friend of mine smoked pot
And ended up trying to rob a store
Now he's in jail for 9-12 months
Yea sure
Nothing bad ever came around from smoking pot

Everytime I've tried it, it hasn't worked. But w/e there isn't a point to doing it.
It kills neurons (brain cells) so I doubt it can be that good for you.
Weed suposedly makes time seem to go by super slowly for some,
I had a friend once ask me what time it was over 5 times in one minute.
Anything you can be under the influence of can affect your driving.
I've seen overweight people who smoke it, so I really doubt it does anything to your fat cells.

MetalSuicide wrote: Most people here have lookedatthe side of pot thats bad for the user
Yea, It has bad sides
But pot can fuck up so much
Until you've had your family ruined through it you don;t know how bad it can be
Stop comparing it to other things to amke it seem better too
'Its not as bad as smokes so its ok'
Fuck no

Pot can fuck up so many peoples live just so you can get 'high'
And it does mess with you
talk to someone whos smoked for years and years
I have
Someone close to me
Its fucking torture
All you here is mumbling and 'uhms'
Pot = Not ok to me

Oh and by the way
Not long ago a friend of mine smoked pot
And ended up trying to rob a store
Now he's in jail for 9-12 months
Yea sure
Nothing bad ever came around from smoking pot

i felt really bad for you when i read that but i think you may have to consider that maybe it's just that your friends are maybe not too bright in the first place and maybe they would have ended up robbing the store anyway, if not for weed money for beer money or for pokemon card money.
you can't blame everything on pot, some people are just stupid.

Its not just my friend though
Its more than that
Its my family
Its people around me
Its people I never wouldve thought would ruin their lives that way
And it does ruin lives

The hardest thing Ive ever had to do related to pot is:

My very close friend
Whom I grew up with
Was talking to me
And he said
'I dont understand one thing, I dont get why people use drugs, like, if anyone I knew did drugs it would be so bad, especially if i didnt know, what if it was like someone in school or something'
Guess what
Both his parents smoke pot regularly and he dosent know about it yet
I fear for him that day he finds out
It will crush him
And they dont even know..

Thankyou though

well ifyour friend is so anti-drugs and hasn't noticed his parents are getting high then it can't be that bad can it?

I really don't want to sound insensitive but I know people who have really good jobs and happy lives who smoke pot, yeah some people do it too much but that's because they are weak as people and would have found a way to screw up without it.
It's easy to blame the drugs but sometimes you have to look at the person doing the drugs, maybe they are just failure waiting to happen.

Its a tiny country town with about 40 people
So he dosent know any better
He can't tell the differnece because he think's thats 'normal'

You can't say that it's just the people not the drugs
After seeing how it changes people
Even after one time

*points above to the long-ass list of links Ash wrote about he effects of drugs*
It wouldn't be illegal for no reason

MetalSuicide wrote: Its a tiny country town with about 40 people
So he dosent know any better.
He can't tell the differnece because he think's thats 'normal'

You can't say that it's just the people not the drugs
After seeing how it changes people
Even after one time

*points above to the long-ass list of links Ash wrote about he effects of drugs*
It wouldn't be illegal for no reason

the studies on the effects or marijuana are sketchy at best, it's due to causality arguments, did the weed give him high blood pressure or was he into activities that lead to high blood pressure and also smoked pot, if you see my point.

i've seen how pot changes people, for a few hours while they are stoned and they are more relaxed than ever, eat more pizza, but never gone crazy and robbed a store, guess maybe that is more to do with there being little do do in a 40 person town, you could theorise about it being a 40 person town so maybe a shallow gene pool so more chance of people having issues but that sails dangerously close to trolling and i'm not into that.

i just think this is one of those 'blame the gun not the shooter' arguments. should we make spoons illegal incase someone uses one to cook up heroin and shoot up? and spoons can kill if jammed in someones eye, there we are, 2 strong arguments for the outlawing of spoons.

deepcutsarebest wrote:

MetalSuicide wrote: Its a tiny country town with about 40 people
So he dosent know any better.
He can't tell the differnece because he think's thats 'normal'

You can't say that it's just the people not the drugs
After seeing how it changes people
Even after one time

*points above to the long-ass list of links Ash wrote about he effects of drugs*
It wouldn't be illegal for no reason

the studies on the effects or marijuana are sketchy at best, it's due to causality arguments, did the weed give him high blood pressure or was he into activities that lead to high blood pressure and also smoked pot, if you see my point.

i've seen how pot changes people, for a few hours while they are stoned and they are more relaxed than ever, eat more pizza, but never gone crazy and robbed a store, guess maybe that is more to do with there being little do do in a 40 person town, you could theorise about it being a 40 person town so maybe a shallow gene pool so more chance of people having issues but that sails dangerously close to trolling and i'm not into that.

i just think this is one of those 'blame the gun not the shooter' arguments. should we make spoons illegal incase someone uses one to cook up heroin and shoot up? and spoons can kill if jammed in someones eye, there we are, 2 strong arguments for the outlawing of spoons.

Well if you've seen how pot changes people then you should be able to see that they are not just 'relaxed'
But they're just.. dumb
Sitting on the floor
Staring into nothing
What good is that for anyone?
If everyone was always high then where would be be now?
And the friend who robbed the store didnt live in the small town
The small town was just where i grew up
There are so many more examples i could give
Like another person I know
Who started pot
Now she's a social regect who is completly dependant on the drugs
The drugs are addictive
Thats another thing
The stuff is addictive
And dont tell me its not addictive becuase i know people who've gone off it and gone insane
No sleeping, no eating no nothing
They quit their jobs

Oh and about your 'spoon' argument
They haven't made spoons illegal
But they dam sure made heroin illegal
From that perspective they could make everything illegal
But pot has no other purpose other than to get 'high'
Spoons have uses
Pot dosent
Unless you want to get 'relaxed'
Just lay down for a while

In my own personal opinion
*I think*
That marijuana is bad
It hurts people
And hurts the people around them
(including me)

I doubt I will convice you otherwise though
We are both going to stand by our opinions because its our own personal experiences that led us to them
Was good to talk about it though

MetalSuicide wrote:

Well if you've seen how pot changes people then you should be able to see that they are not just 'relaxed'
But they're just.. dumb
Sitting on the floor
Staring into nothing
What good is that for anyone?
If everyone was always high then where would be be now?
And the friend who robbed the store didnt live in the small town
The small town was just where i grew up
There are so many more examples i could give
Like another person I know
Who started pot
Now she's a social regect who is completly dependant on the drugs
The drugs are addictive
Thats another thing
The stuff is addictive
And dont tell me its not addictive becuase i know people who've gone off it and gone insane
No sleeping, no eating no nothing
They quit their jobs

Oh and about your 'spoon' argument
They haven't made spoons illegal
But they dam sure made heroin illegal
From that perspective they could make everything illegal
But pot has no other purpose other than to get 'high'
Spoons have uses
Pot dosent
Unless you want to get 'relaxed'
Just lay down for a while

In my own personal opinion
*I think*
That marijuana is bad
It hurts people
And hurts the people around them
(including me)

I doubt I will convice you otherwise though
We are both going to stand by our opinions because its our own personal experiences that led us to them
Was good to talk about it though

i think you are right, this isn't something either of us are likely to change our minds about, I just don't like the fact that alot of people get away with blaming their problems on weed, it's the people who make bad decisions, not the drug, when stoned I don't lose the ability to reason, if someone does then they were obviously barely clinging to the ability in the first place, when someone beats their partner, do we blame anger? no, we blame the person.

That's me done