Perhaps the question is, "should they be labeled as illegal?" Should it be illegal to move to another country? Especially in a case where their own country wont look after them.

Perhaps we should be offering them opportunity rather than complaining about it. The more you complain, the more tax you will have to pay.
The more opportunity you give them, then the more independent they will become. Then the less tax you will have to pay.

Think about it from immigrants point of view. They are moving to your country for a better life. Don't we all deserve that? Wouldn't you do the same?

Xenomorph wrote: Plus they take away from my hard-earned cash. Look at your pay-stub some day, you lose a lot of fucking money because it goes to illegal immigrants.

This is actually true. A lot of social security, as well, goes toward them. Don't ask me why we even give anything to Illegal people,we shouldn't.

NickC wrote: Perhaps the question is, "should they be labeled as illegal?" Should it be illegal to move to another country? Especially in a case where their own country wont look after them.

It's not illegal to move here, but it is illegal to move here illegally. Their country can take care of them, especially if they are giving out pamphlets on how to cross the border and how to take advantage of our system.

NickC wrote: Perhaps we should be offering them opportunity rather than complaining about it. The more you complain, the more tax you will have to pay.

If we hire more of them, that only gets WORSE because they are staying and taking advantage of our system. This should've never been a problem as they are illegal people.

NickC wrote: The more opportunity you give them, then the more independent they will become. Then the less tax you will have to pay.

No, the more DEPENDENT they become, on THE TAX-PAYERS, IE; anyone who works legally, lives legally, and is a citizen of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

NickC wrote: Think about it from immigrants point of view. They are moving to your country for a better life. Don't we all deserve that? Wouldn't you do the same?

If you move for a better life, you respect the country you move to. You don't go to that country and start making demands, or again taking advantage of the system. Border babies should never be legal citizens, period. We should never give them anything unless they go through the legal process.

So no, I wouldn't do the same. I would respect that country, learn their language, and do it the right way.

What I'm saying is, I don't think it should be illegal to move to your country, or it should at least be a lot easier to do it legaly.

I believe they should be able to take up the choice of a better life. It's basic human rights.

If we hire more of them, that only gets WORSE because they are staying and taking advantage of our system. This should've never been a problem as they are illegal people.

Since when was getting a job which in turn improves your economy "taking advantage of the system"?
Going on the dole takes advantage of the system, Not getting a job.

No, the more DEPENDENT they become, on THE TAX-PAYERS, IE; anyone who works legally, lives legally, and is a citizen of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Your not making sense.
One they get a job, they will be a tax payer. Just like you are a tax payer. You are independent. So will they be.

I'm all for respecting the country you're moving to.
Perhaps your country could make it easier for them to respect it?

No, you were talking about hiring illegals.
They don't pay any taxes at all. Only on the paycheck, they don't pay the annual taxes (which are a bitch)

It's already easy for them to do it legally

I'm not talking about hiring illegal immigrants.
I'm talking about changing laws. So they actually wouldn't be illegal.

NickC wrote: I'm not talking about hiring illegal immigrants.
I'm talking about changing laws. So they actually wouldn't be illegal.

You have no idea what you're talking about.


The reason these people are "illegal" is because they cross into a country without any paper work what so ever. All their documentation is left behind and many of these people are already criminals in Mexico. They're not paying into the tax system that they're reaping the benefits of and they're not even attempting to learn the language. You can't just say that documentation or any of the rest of that doesn't matter.

NickC wrote: I'm not talking about hiring illegal immigrants.
I'm talking about changing laws. So they actually wouldn't be illegal.

That is the worst idea I have ever heard.
Do you have any idea how much that would destroy our economy and offset everything?


Also, you're talking about The United States Of America.
This country was never meant to get down and lick boot because a few idiots want to give everyone everything, and every minority everything. No, you are all destroying our country, trying to change it completely Socialist and leaning towards Anarchy (chaos) which never works.

This is the USA, not some "step all over us" country.

I totally agree with you! I think that immigrants that are NOT United States citizens, should not be able to vote! I mean they are not citizens, why in the world should they be able to vote?

samanthaleelemmerman wrote: I totally agree with you! I think that immigrants that are NOT United States citizens, should not be able to vote! I mean they are not citizens, why in the world should they be able to vote?

Because liberal idiots love giving everyone everything and really would love to turn this country Socialist and destroy the economy along with everything else.

There.
I SAID IT

VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA TO MAKE "THE DEPRESSION" LOOK LIKE A CAKE WALK!

Oh gag me with the whole damn Barak Hussien Obama shit! If he does become president, I am going to be shocked as hell if he isn't shot! There are so many damn racists in this nation! I mean come one we were the largest economy and we have been through a Depression and all that shit! I mean the fucking rednecks and shit that HATE blacks, will take that chance! There was already an assassination plot against him at the DNC.

samanthaleelemmerman wrote: Oh gag me with the whole damn Barak Hussien Obama shit! If he does become president, I am going to be shocked as hell if he isn't shot! There are so many damn racists in this nation! I mean come one we were the largest economy and we have been through a Depression and all that shit! I mean the fucking rednecks and shit that HATE blacks, will take that chance! There was already an assassination plot against him at the DNC.

His economic plans will fail and plunge us into a depression.

AND HES NOT BLACK, GET IT THROUGH YOUR STUPID HEAD.
So he won't be shot by racists unless someone kills him and says hes muslim.
There aren't many racists left, shove it, and stfu. stop making it seem like there are because people like you want everyone to believe its still a huge problem.
Yes, we have been through a depression, ONCE. And only GREAT LEADERS were able to bring us back out.
As for the DNC assassination plot; it was bullshit by left blogs.

Get over yourself, get educated.

Here's some FACT:
The RNC; The same people who bitched to go green destroyed cars, the same people who were "non violent" and "anti-war protesters" went and destroyed cars and Police cars.

Now shove it.

Wow, I'm glad I don't live in the US.
If everyone was as selfish as you, I'd probably want to immigrate to Mexico!

NickC wrote: Wow, I'm glad I don't live in the US.
If everyone was as selfish as you, I'd probably want to immigrate to Mexico!

Keeping a secure Nation isn't being selfish.
You neglect everything we have said.

I'm glad I'm not as stupid as you or I'd live in SWEDEN OR CANADA.

We're gonna have to agree to disagree dude.
You make some good points, but I just don't share your ethics.

NickC wrote: We're gonna have to agree to disagree dude.
You make some good points, but I just don't share your ethics.

You mean because I HAVE ethics.
the give give give everything to anyone who crosses the border takes away from citizens.