SnowXwhite wrote: You compare killing people with killing animals. There is no comparison. We need to eat meat for nutrients, we don't need to kill people.

And calling me a nazi is immature. And comparing eating meat to the Holocaust is incredibly disrespectful to the people who died in WWII

I don't disrespect your opinions as I've said before, you can think what you want. But when you look down on me and think I'm less then you just because I believe that eating meat is essential to having a healthy diet I do not tolerate it.

I'm not calling you a snob because I don't think your irrational, I'm calling you a snob because you think you're better then everyone else, and that is the definition of snob.

I don't think that you are lesser then me for your opinions. I have contemplated vegetarianism for a lifestyle before. But I don't think it would work because I don't like enough vegetables to have a healthy diet.

Do you see crows and bears going vegetarian? No? They need to eat what they can to survive. And not every person on this earth can afford to eat all vegetarian food.

SnowXwhite wrote: Oooooooh Look what I found!!!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Eating_veggies_shrinks_the_brain/articleshow/3480629.cms

http://www.asylum.com/2008/09/15/a-vegertarian-diet-shrinks-the-brain/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/health/health/article1670895.ece

http://www.politicalgroove.com/medical-health/9904-study-vegan-diet-shrinks-brain.html


When our species started getting smarter, it happened because we scavendged for meat, and eventually hunted our own meat. That made our brain grow, and it made us smarter.

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SnowXwhite wrote: When our species started getting smarter, it happened because we scavendged for meat, and eventually hunted our own meat. That made our brain grow, and it made us smarter.

KittensKill wrote:

SnowXwhite wrote: When our species started getting smarter, it happened because we scavendged for meat, and eventually hunted our own meat. That made our brain grow, and it made us smarter.

Anyone choosing not to eat meat is wanting to go back to living in trees.

I can see the future. human are going to go in 2 directions. Those who eat meat are going to evolve forward, because meat is good for brain development. And those who choose not to eat meat.... well... their brains will shrink, and they will evolve into something..... less.

KittensKill wrote:

SnowXwhite wrote: When our species started getting smarter, it happened because we scavendged for meat, and eventually hunted our own meat. That made our brain grow, and it made us smarter.

Anyone choosing not to eat meat is wanting to go back to living in trees.

I can see the future. human are going to go in 2 directions. Those who eat meat are going to evolve forward, because meat is good for brain development. And those who choose not to eat meat.... well... their brains will shrink, and they will evolve into something..... less.

Venfort wrote: 1 ”Meat is part of a natural diet!”

If meat had truely been natural for us to eat, why do we become sick by eating it raw? We are the only speicies on earth that prepare and cook our meals. Is that natural? It's true we are omnivores, but is natural necessariilly good? In nature we find murder, theft, rape and incest. And even if it was natural, don't we in all other cases consider ourself more than mere animals?

2 "Some essential substances you can only find in meat, for example protein and iron."

Percentwise there are more protein in soybeans than in red meat. There are lots of iron in all green vegetables, nuts, beans and cereals.

3 ”If everyone stopped eating meat, the world would be overrun with animals.”

We control the amount of animals born. The only chanse of making the world vegetarian is to do it person by person and that takes a while. The "supply" is decreased according to the demand. There will be no mass killing of animals, because everyone will not become vegetarian over night. One person does make a difference. Otherwise it wouldn't be as many vegetarians as it is today. Even a drop of the ocean is a part of the ocean.

4 ”As long as the animals don't suffer...”

If you ever seen a meat factory you know that the animals suffer their entire lives. There are also nothing called "unnecessary suffering". Just listen to the words. All suffering is unnecessary.

5 ”You have to burn rainforrests for soy production so you vegetarians can have food!”

Yes. But 80% of the soy produced on earth is for animal fodder. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be as many soy farmers, hence not as much rainforrest shoveling.

6 ”But the lions eat meat! Why shouldn't we be allowed to eat meat?”

Because we have a choise. We don't NEED to eat meat. Lions are carnivores, however, and they can't eat vegetables. They cannot make good of the nutrients. We can.

7 "What if the vegetables can feel pain?!"

Then it's even MORE important not to eat meat. What do you think the animal fodder is made of? Yeah, vegetables. Vegetarianism is not about stopping all the suffering in the world. It's about minimizing it. You CAN stop hurting animals, so why not do it?

8 ”But it tastes good!”

But is it really reasonable that innocent animals is killed for it? Is your comfort REALLY that important that defenceless animals have to die for it? Would you be willing to live a miserable life in pain and torture just so someone else can have a good meal?

Deuce wrote:

Venfort wrote: Yes, humans aren't as rational as we like to believe. But there's always some. Me being one.

This is a good example of why I generally try to avoid vegetarians and- or vegans: a blunt holier-than-thou attitude. The only thing you'll achieve with such a mentality is more people refusing to join your cause......