They don't have the same right to marriage. That's a right. So they don't have the same rights.

StabbingYouFromBehind wrote:

SnowXwhite wrote: I hoped that since Massachusetts allowed gay marriage that other democratic states would follow right along. But it seems that isn't so. Which disapoints me

Not all states love to get down and lick boot like MA does.

Like the Confederacy. But I doubt that the issue of Gay marriage will cause civil war. Not really at the same level

XD

Gays shouldd have every rightt that straights do.
One of my bestt friends is gayy and he gets shitt all the time.
They alreadyy deall with enough from people so justt enable them to be happy and lett them get married!
Zheeesh!

it's appalling that parents make their little children hold those signs as is shown in the article.

Well thats gay....

StabbingYouFromBehind wrote:

mcr666 wrote: This is just sad. I could get on my huge soapbox as why gays deserve every single right that straight people do.
This makes me disgusted.

Learn to read; they do have the same rights.

not if they can't get married and adopt kids they won't.

mcr666 wrote:

StabbingYouFromBehind wrote:

mcr666 wrote: This is just sad. I could get on my huge soapbox as why gays deserve every single right that straight people do.
This makes me disgusted.

Learn to read; they do have the same rights.

not if they can't get married and adopt kids they won't.

Proposition 8 was only about defining Marriage as between a Man and a Woman.
They can still do a civil union which is basically the same exact thing but not as "flashy" with the name.

Everyone is making such a big deal out of this assuming that it is removal of gay rights, discriminating them, and other crap. It was only about defining marriage which has been defined in the beginning as between a man and a woman. It just was not adopted into state constitutions until now.

Again, this is not like killing, burning houses, separation of bathrooms, drinking fountains, the back of the bus and other things which were actually unjust to do.


All countries have traditional definitions in marriage and other traditional things. For example if you are in a Japanese traditional annual celebrational dance, you can only be Japanese (or partial) because of tradition.

I cant believe it! SanFran was supposed to be the accepting place. wtf? I have gay friends, adn some of my straight friends parents are gay. I have a friend who was looking into marrying his bf for a while, and now, they want to wait ad see if it will be leagle. It's a disgarce, and I just can't belive people will stoop this low. They also banned Gay couples and unmarried ciouples from adopting, again, wtf? What makes them any less worthy to be parents? What makes the unfit to have a family? What makes them below us? EFFING NOTHING!

TeenageVampire wrote: I cant believe it! SanFran was supposed to be the accepting place. wtf? I have gay friends, adn some of my straight friends parents are gay. I have a friend who was looking into marrying his bf for a while, and now, they want to wait ad see if it will be leagle. It's a disgarce, and I just can't belive people will stoop this low. They also banned Gay couples and unmarried ciouples from adopting, again, wtf? What makes them any less worthy to be parents? What makes the unfit to have a family? What makes them below us? EFFING NOTHING!

Firstly, you are approaching this from only an emotional point of view. While emotions are valid, in a debate they are moreover just emotions, it does bring some experience to this but not your view or thoughts, and leads you to not considering, or reading, abut tradition and traditional values and definitions.

I find it hypocritical that people such as yourself claim to love cultures and their traditions, then openly attack Marriage and try to make it a social issue so they may try to strip it of the definition and values that it holds.

Secondly, I do not know where you are getting this "gay and unmarried couples cannot adopt", this was not part of Proposition 8.

Again, for those of you incapable of reading the most simple ballots out there:
Yes on Proposition 8 Defines Marriage as between a Man and a Woman. Nothing else.

Lastly, you are assuming about a city, and even a state. Just because you think San Francisco is an "accepting"" city, does not mean the city says to the state and the world that it is. I have a problem with people such as yourself. People have moved to my city believing it to be a town where anything flies and where anything can happen, such things are incorrect, our city hates being stepped on and also hates people assuming what we are.

Well, because I didn't read the article I didn't know that there is civil union XD

I think Civil Union is the best solution to all the Gay Marriage conflicts.

Come on people! We have more important things to be talking about in the government. Just give the gay community the right to Civil Unions and a majority of them will shut up. Maybe some will whine. But Civil Unions, in my opinions are just as good.

SnowXwhite wrote: Well, because I didn't read the article I didn't know that there is civil union XD

I think Civil Union is the best solution to all the Gay Marriage conflicts.

Come on people! We have more important things to be talking about in the government. Just give the gay community the right to Civil Unions and a majority of them will shut up. Maybe some will whine. But Civil Unions, in my opinions are just as good.

I've been saying that for I don't know how long but NOW you are fine with the Marriage bit?

I also pointed out the "its the same" factor, as well.
See? Once people know about civil unions, people are fine with traditional Marriage.

StabbingYouFromBehind wrote:

SnowXwhite wrote: Well, because I didn't read the article I didn't know that there is civil union XD

I think Civil Union is the best solution to all the Gay Marriage conflicts.

Come on people! We have more important things to be talking about in the government. Just give the gay community the right to Civil Unions and a majority of them will shut up. Maybe some will whine. But Civil Unions, in my opinions are just as good.

I've been saying that for I don't know how long but NOW you are fine with the Marriage bit?

I also pointed out the "its the same" factor, as well.
See? Once people know about civil unions, people are fine with traditional Marriage.

Some heterosexual couples have had civil unions.
Its the perfect alternative for those who want to marry, but don't want a traditional marriage.

I've always said what I think of Civil Unions. I have no idea what you're talking about. In every Gay marriage topic there is on here I've said that Civil Unions would be a good compromise.

I think marrige should be about love. not about gender ._.
it is because of love that people. Gender shouldent matter

ludaki wrote: I think marrige should be about love. not about gender ._.
it is because of love that people. Gender shouldent matter

You did not read any of these posts, did you?

Personally , Im very dissapointed at this

They however do have kind of the same rights ... It's not like 40 years ago with Black & White People.

I however do agree they should have the rights of adoptions , because what they are doing is saving a unloved children from a foster home and they CAN & WILL grant the children a much better life. I however say ALL PEOPLE who adopt should be submited to a psycological evaluation in order to prevent child abuse.

I also give them rights to hold a ceremony but the marriage should be based on the Civil Laws ! I mean gay couples should hold off a voice in our society and be recognize as members of our society and families of our society ! So im advocate to their union being recognize as something Solid.

Gay & Lesbians are human just like us the only difference is they like people other than the opposite sex but still they are capable of providing the same service to society as an straight person would.

( If they worry about crime or bad influence and all that BS , they are full of s*** and being hypocrites because most of the crimes in US are made by straigh people , most domestic violence cases are straight couples & gays do not do sodomy , sodomy goes beyond another point in which is the same as rape for a straigh person ! )